2022 RPAY – Janine Moore, HUB Retirement and Wealth Management


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/21

  • Plan assets under advisement: $1 billion
  • Median plan size (in assets): $25 million
  • Plans under administration: 52
  • Total participants served: 44,186 across team

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Moore: Right out of college and as I was finishing my military service, I was recruited to a large financial services company into a management training program. I started out in the government sector as a call center supervisor, then progressed to regional manager. During a finals meeting in Houston, I met a sales RVP and he selected me to manage the City of Houston’s 457 plan. I spent several years in that role, then pivoted to consultant upon the birth of my second child.

I went into personal advising for several years, met two like-minded reps and we formed Peak Financial Group in the early 2000s. We started to focus on retirement plans after we landed a big start up and realized that we loved the work. Fast forward 17 years and we sold our firm to HUB International in 2019. We now have a team of eight and manage 130 plans across the country of all sizes and types, mostly 3(21) with a sprinkling of BOR and 3(38). It has become a passion instead of a career.

 

PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

Moore: Our team celebrates diversity and inclusion. We have a solid team that shatters generational and racial barriers in our industry. Gen Z, Millennial and Gen X generations are celebrated. We have equal representation by gender and also have racial balance with one Black and two Latinx team members. This translates to four women and four men.

We are proud to reflect the workforce of the future and expect this to continue over the coming years. We assign every new hire to a coach and require weekly meetings and sanity checks to ensure that they are folded into our team. We provide one, three, six and 12 month assessments to ensure that every team member receives feedback and has the opportunity to voice their opinion.

 

PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Moore: At the beginning of my career, I think there was lip service to the need for DEI. Organizational cultures send messages both large and small. Initially, I can remember the need to point out that materials need to reflect all people. Beyond seeing materials that look like everyone, it is more important to see people of all types doing important jobs. In our industry, I notice lots of folks in admin and education positions, but they need opportunities to make the leap to advisor. Deep down, everyone wants to be included, to feel like they are part of the story.

At a recent industry summit, I was happy to see an amazing DEI panel on the main stage making the case for broadening the adviser community for business purposes. I contrast that to a few years back when I served on a panel that was offered as a breakout session and only like-minded people attended.

I’ve definitely enjoyed social connection at networking events designed specifically for diverse advisors but think we all benefit when mainstream groups are intentional about being more inclusive. By breaking down barriers in these settings, we can learn much from each other.

I think advisers are waking up to the fact that communities of color are expanding and want options when it comes to working with people that look like them, whether by gender, race, ethnicity or even language. The business case is that having diverse advisors will not take away from existing business, it will just enhance and grow additional opportunities that have previously been untapped. I continue to advocate for a more diverse and inclusive industry and have partnered with the American Retirement Association to provide education to underrepresented communities.

 

PLANADVISER: Please tell us about an important experience you have had as either a mentor or mentee.

Moore: Mentorship has always been a huge part of my life and I have had the opportunity to have multiple mentors and centers of influence in every aspect of my career. My partner Darrell is my main sounding board for all major decisions. We have a great relationship and trust each other implicitly. We have built a solid team and I count on Joe, Matt, Dina, Alicia, Ron and Abbie to keep our clients happy and give feedback when something isn’t working. Our HUB Retirement Advisor Council is top notch and I have developed some great relationships with them, along with our state’s executive management team.

Having a personal board of directors is really important—I’m part of a group of women advisers that keep me grounded, motivated and focused. We meet monthly. I also give big credit to the National Association of Plan Advisors and We Inspire. Promote. Network. (WIPN) and have some great relationships with their leadership and many members.

My longer mentorship story starts at the age of 18, when I joined the Air Force. After an initial year in a dead-end administrative role, I was assigned to Major Robert Boggs, who led our Mission Support Flight to prepare national guardsmen to go to Desert Storm. This extremely stressful and impactful time in my life taught me the value of hard work, courage and faith. Major Boggs gave the best to our group and expected nothing but excellence in return. As his Acting First Sergeant, he poured into me and taught me how to lead. He encouraged me to mentor other young women who were not getting the same opportunities and I am still friends with them to this day. One of my favorites, Ramona Reynolds, went from a welfare situation to a highly successful corporate career and recently launched her own national consulting practice.

At 22, I took a job as a 457(b) customer service supervisor at a major insurance company and was the youngest black female in management in the entire company. My director identified my strengths and weaknesses, then taught me corporate etiquette, golf and how to navigate office politics. Her willingness to provide visibility for me, allowed a quick ascension through the corporate ranks into management roles. Eventually, I was leading two service teams of 40 individuals and was able to start mentoring others and bring them up as well. I identified several as potential leaders and worked with them after hours to help them gain the skills and visibility for promotions.

After three promotions, I moved to Houston at the age of 25 to lead the City of Houston’s 457(b) plan. Because I was new to the city and my closest manager was in Austin, I quickly joined the National Forum for Black Public Administrators to meet people. Through this organization I met some of the top department heads and requested their help in growing the visibility of the plan among City employees. Several City leaders served as mentors and taught me how to navigate municipal politics and relationships. I have deep friendships to this day with many of them including Carolyn Lacye, Ulysses Fogg, Yvette Chargois, Joyce Bethany, Everett Bass and Rhonda Smith. During this segment of my life, I focused on helping minority employees learn the value of saving and investing and have witnessed countless employees reach their retirement dreams.

At 32, the birth of my second child prompted a career change and I started as a financial adviser with another large insurer. This time, I was in a very male-dominated industry and was assigned formal mentors to help me succeed. Bob Murphy and John Osborn taught me how to navigate the insurance industry and provide individual financial services. To give back, I joined a Christian mentoring program and spent a year with a new adviser from a competing firm. I am happy to report that she is still in the industry and has had a very successful career. As part of my commitment to DE&I, I informally mentored three new agents, Reggie Russell, Carmis Adams and Pharis Dawson, and although none of them are still in the industry, we still maintain friendships to this day.

At 35, I partnered with two co-workers, Darrell Ellisor and Tracey Brundrett, to form our company, Peak Financial Group, and began my career in retirement plan advisory services. Both of my partners brought tons of experience to our team and Tracey introduced me to the National Association of Women Business Owners (NAWBO), where I took on a formal mentoring role with several young entrepreneurs. Tracey and I received our certification as a woman-owned business from the Women Business Enterprise National Council (WBENC) Through both of these organizations, I served in leadership positions and mentored multiple women in a variety of fields about the basics of starting and maintaining a viable business.

During the 17 years of business ownership before we sold our practice to HUB International in 2019, I was a proud member of Business and Professional Women (BPW). During my tenure as president, I was able to set up formal mentorship relationships with a number of women and assist them in growing and developing their businesses. Although I could name more than a dozen close friends, I would say that my favorite mentee is Rohanna Brooks-Sykes, who continues to thrive and grow beyond expectation. I have several spiritual mentors as well, including Pam Chisholm, Ann Barber, Rose Rich, Demeria Roberts, Lorraine Hibbert and Kim Wooden. These ladies have poured life and love into me over my years as a working mom, business owner, community leader and other roles I’ve accepted during my lifetime.

Over the past five years, my favorite mentorship story comes from the National Association of Plan Advisors. I was selected to serve as a panelist for one of their women’s conferences and that is where I found my kindred spirits—women advisers who understood the retirement plan space and all of the jargon and difficulty that comes with it! Through this organization, I have sought industry knowledge from some of the best in the business, including Barb Delaney, Pat Wenzel and Erika Goodwin. In addition, I joined a formal NAPA mentorship program (Thrive) and have proudly watched my mentee, Apryl Pope, ascend to from relative obscurity to speaking on the national stage at NAPA Summit through monthly coaching and encouragement.

Through NAPA, six advisers and I have formed a monthly study group, the “Retirement Alliance” where we provide mentoring and encouragement to each other and this was especially helpful through the isolating Covid pandemic. The fact that none of us are from the same company has had no bearing on our close relationship and I could not imagine life without Pam Brooks, Renee Scherzer, Pam Appell, Amy Hanophy, Karie O’Connor and Andrea Donaldson.

 

PLANADVISER: What advice can you give to your industry peers about developing successful experiences for both mentors and mentees?

Moore: Mentorship means investing in others and caring about them reaching their goals. When I look back at my career through the lens of mentorship, I realize that my “success” comes from the vast number of mentors and mentees in my life. Having someone pour into you from a young age inspires you to do the same across your lifetime and the joy you get from watching someone else grow is more rewarding than personal achievements.

As a mentor, your role is to:

  • Take the job seriously and provide consistent meetings and feedback
  • Be honest and provide encouragement
  • Give guidance and provide real life examples, both good and bad
  • Celebrate the victories, both large and small
  • Promote your mentee to others

As a mentee, your role is to:

  • Come to the table with relevant questions
  • Complete your assignments on time
  • Be accountable
  • Ask for help when you need it
  • Give back to the next generation once you are stable

2022 RPAY – George Fraser, Fraser Group at RBG


Business at a Glance as of 12/31/21

  • Plan assets under advisement: $450 million
  • Median plan size (in assets): $20 million
  • Plans under administration: 35
  • Total participants served: 10,000

PLANADVISER: Tell us about your practice and how you got into advising retirement plans.

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Fraser: I started my post college career working for Inc. magazine in Boston and New York City where I learned to have a deep appreciation for entrepreneurs and the businesses they ran and the challenges they faced in growing their companies. My goal when I left the magazine and embarked on a career in financial services was to help entrepreneurs succeed. Like most new advisers my intent was to build a wealth management business focusing on high-net-worth individuals. My focus changed as I understood the opportunity to help the average working American save in a company retirement plan and that was also an opportunity to help company owners. These owners wanted a less financially stressed team of healthier, and happier employees creating a more productive work force.

 My very first retirement plan client was a heavy equipment rental company in Arizona. The owner Jerry Adams made it clear to me that he was going to retire well and the reason for that was because of all of his hard-working employees. His direction to me was look after his team members and treat each one of them as though they were my only client. Speak to them in a language that was simple and understandable. This became my model for education and service over the past 30 years.

 

PLANADVISER: How is your team/process/structure unique? How has it evolved? Where will you be in five years?

Fraser: My team structure and process is unique in that we do not currently nor have we in the past handled personal wealth management business. We specialize in company 401(k) and non-profit 403(b) retirement plans. We provide personalized financial planning but are not compensated above and beyond our fees for the retirement plan.

We break down our business into three simple components all based on a quote from Maya Angelou: “People may forget what you said, people may forget what you did, but people will never forget the way you made them feel.”

1. Work we do for the retirement plan committee. Simply put, we do all the stuff that everybody else does. We act as 3(21) fiduciaries, provide plan governance, have quarterly planning investment reviews and most importantly create excellent plan design.

2. Work we do for the participants. This is where we shine. We provide group and one on one meetings on an ongoing basis. One of our accounts has 55 locations in six states and we have been to every one of those locations twice a year for the past 18 years providing education and service.

The cornerstone of retirement financial security for most Americans is the monthly payment they will receive from Social Security and 73% of Americans leave money on the table. A primary focus of our education is to make sure that each and every team member has a strategy to maximize this benefit. We compare the benefit from Social Security to a lottery ticket win. Even with a $1000/monthly benefit over the 20 years in retirement it equates to almost a quarter of $1 million in income. Keeping in mind that the average family making $40,000 annually spends $1000 on lottery tickets with a one in 292 million chance of winning the Powerball this example hits home.

All of our plans utilize auto enroll/auto escalations based on Shlomo Benartzi and Richard Thaler’s “Save More Tomorrow” recommendations.

However, I believe the words we use in our business are confusing. The average American does not understand percentile or numeracy well enough. So, I have changed the words to make more sense. Instead of talking about percent of salary deferral I’ve changed to “PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.” Everyone believes they can afford to take just one penny out of every dollar to save for retirement in year one and then each additional year save an additional penny out of every dollar. My model has been researched by Benartzi and his team at UCLA as well as Carnegie Mellon and Cornell University. The research has shown that the model may change the way people save all around the world.

Using this model allowed a casino plan in California that we manage to take their average deferral to 9.2 pennies per dollar in just eight years, with a participation rate of 97.7%. This with a very low wage base workforce.

3. HOPE! According to three major providers with over 16 million participants I have confirmed that at least 92% of the average 65-year-olds in their plans have less than $60,000 in their accounts. This along with their Social Security monthly benefit still requires many to consider working in retirement. It is emotionally draining to sit with a participant and share with them that they have $2600 a month in retirement income and learning that their expenses are $2200 a month.

The $400 that is left is what they have for fun money. So much for the provider brochures that show retirees on big boats, golf courses and living the life of luxury. We needed a solution and I’ve come up with one. “Retirement Life Hacks!” I have been sharing with participants options for a better retirement life utilizing their hobbies or assets to create income and allow them to have a more hopeful retirement. Take for example Sean in Oregon who will never have to utter the words “welcome to Walmart” or “would you like fries with that order”? Sean has a boat that he will be utilizing personally 27 days a month in retirement but for four days he will be taking people for rides on the Oregon coast through a site called “Boatsetters.com” and increasing his monthly income by $2000. When I explained this option to Sean it was like I had given him the golden ticket from Willy Wonka! Another great example is Betty who wants to spend winters on the beach in St. Augustine, Florida but her income doesn’t allow for that opportunity. Betty loves animals and through a website called “Critter Sitters” will not only be staying at the beach in St. Augustine but also being paid to do so looking after a cat. WOW!

Please imagine the hugs I receive after sharing these opportunities with participants who have felt like their options were limited and I shared with them the ability to have a life in the words of Henry David Thoreau “live the life you’ve imagined.”

 

PLANADVISER: As a retirement plan adviser, what do you take the most pride in?

Fraser: I am so proud of the fact that I can help those that don’t have the same access to the options entitled Americans have in preparing for a “hopeful” retirement! The expression on a person’s face after we have met and the hugs I have received make me so very proud of the career I’ve chosen. When a 62 year “young” woman shares that she hasn’t had a good night’s sleep in two years and 15 mins later she is in tears thanking me for my help and knowing she will sleep soundly makes for a great day’s work! I sleep pretty soundly after those meetings!

 

PLANADVISER: How do you grow your business? What changes to your practice or service model are you planning for 2022 or 2023?

Fraser: The business has grown through referrals and will continue to grow through references from clients who are passionate about their team members success and appreciate our understandable hopeful approach. The model has been successful and I don’t see any changes in the way we service and educate going forward.

 

PLANADVISER: What challenges do you think the retirement plan industry faces and what role do you have in addressing and confronting those challenges?

Fraser: I believe the retirement plan industry needs to wholeheartedly refocus on participant outcomes and simplifying the way we educate. My work around “social security as a winning lottery ticket,” “pennies on the dollar” and “retirement life hacks” are all steps in the right direction. I am honored to be working with Shlomo Benartzi and his team on a pilot research project around de-cumulative that I believe is the next and very important piece of the retirement puzzle. This solution must be simple and transparent!

 

PLANADVISER: Please tell us about an important experience you have had while getting involved in your local, regional or global community.

Fraser: My first experience with Region9 Head Start was with the Foundation for Early Childhood Education in El Monte, California. I was one of several advisers being presented to enhance the service and reduce the cost on their 403(b) plan.

I went to the meeting with my plan to educate and inspire the committee and share with them how I could fix the plan. Instead, I left being educated and inspired on the wonderful work that the organization conducts each and every day for children and families in need. This was a game changer for me, and I decided at that point I wanted to find a way to make a difference. I thought about all of the invitations I have had over the years from my the DCIO vendors and plan providers for lunches, golf outings, fishing trips etc. I decided I would approach all of these colleagues and ask them to instead of providing these invitations to me that I would love to have them come and serve up some pizza or donuts and provide financial literacy to the caregivers and teachers responsible for the life-changing work they did with these children. (By the way I am not someone who gratuitously accepts these invitations. I have made it a point in my career to always pay at least 50% of the time when I am meeting with colleagues).

This interaction ultimately led to my meeting with the executive director for all of region nine encompassing Arizona, California, Nevada, Hawaii and the Pacific Islands. From this meeting the idea of a scholarship program was conceived and thanks to my generous colleagues in the financial industry we are on track to nearly $250,000 after only four years of the program. One of the recipients of the scholarship was particularly meaningful to me. Cecilia Hernandez recounted how at aged six her mother sent her to work in a fireworks factory in Mexico because of an economic need. The factory exploded and the family moved to the United States where Cecelia pursued her dream of becoming a Head Start educator. The thought of sending my own daughter at age six to work to help provide for our family had great impact and left all who watched her video rendition of this event in tears. All of our lives we have been so blessed and it is an amazing thing to know that we can and should help those who have not been as blessed.

 

PLANADVISER: What advice can you give to your industry peers about developing a successful philanthropic or charitable vision for a firm?

Fraser: My first interaction with Region9 Head Start was about winning a new retirement plan account. It ultimately became unimportant based on the Immense satisfaction one feels helping those who are less fortunate.

It seems our business is about creating wealth, often about creating more wealth for people who are already wealthy! As one of my CFO’s succinctly put it “you can have a wonderful life and not necessarily be wealthy, it’s about the contributions you make to society.” The work with Headstart has been life-changing and I recommend to all my colleagues to take the time and find those that need a lift up. In the end you will get the same lift!

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