Sourcing Advisory Talent in Unexpected Places
Art by Andrea D’Aquino
During a recent discussion with PLANADIVSER on the future of the retirement plan recordkeeping business, Kevin Barry, president of workplace investing for Fidelity, also took time to talk about his firm’s hiring practices, and how these have shifted over time.
According to Barry, who oversees the hiring and management of thousands of employees within the workplace investing business, Fidelity has had a lot of success recently hiring talent out of the hospitality industry, particularly those with experience working in restaurants and hotels.
“As such a large provider, we hire thousands of people over time, and we look very closely at what practices correlate with success in our business,” Barry says. “You may or may not be surprised to hear that, for example, recent college graduates with finance or accounting degrees aren’t necessarily the most successful group of new hires right off the bat. On the other hand, there are other industries out there that employ a lot of people who come in and seem to have the natural customer service capabilities we are looking for.”
Barry says this “customer service gene” is, generally speaking, pretty easy to spot when a job candidate walks in the door—and that it makes sense that people working in hospitality often have this characteristic. He notes that there are more parallels between serving a person in a restaurant or hotel setting versus serving the needs of a retirement plan investor than one might initially think. Apart from the expectation of rapid and reliable service, consumers in both fields expect to be put at ease and to feel a strong degree of trust and confidence in the services they are receiving.
As Barry put it, a financial service firm like an advisory shop or a recordkeeper can put in place strong training programs that can help new people learn the ins-and-outs of the retirement plan business—the jargon, the complex commercial incentives and the customer expectations. However, training people to have empathy and to relate effectively to a diverse range of customers is another proposition entirely.
“You can train a lot of the financial services information, the product knowledge and all the rest. But finding somebody who is confident, conscientious and empathetic? This is much harder to train,” Barry says. “Furthermore, in the workplace investing business, we’re serving individuals in communities all across the U.S., so we also have to focus on having a diverse and inclusive culture. Our clients come from all walks of life, and we have to reflect that. We think about that in the hiring process.”
James Marshall, president of Spectrum Investment Advisors, is another retirement industry executive who has embraced the maxim of hiring talent that reflects the clientele. In his firm’s case, given that many of the thousands of plan participants the firm serves are nearing retirement, this effort has involved the hiring of a team of “retirement coaches.” These coaches are all former financial professionals who have themselves been retired for some time, and who have decided that they wanted to return to working in the field on a part-time basis in order to stay engaged and share their firsthand expertise about living and investing in retirement.
“Spectrum Investment Advisors has been using retirement coaches for more than 13 years at this point,” Marshall says. “We have been doing one-on-ones and financial wellness in that whole time, and our retirement coaches have led that effort. Over the years, we went from one retirement coach to now having eight coaches and a full-time retirement coach manager.”
Marshall explains that the coaches are all part time, and what he looks for in potential talent is “a passion and a desire—not a need—to be a coach.”
“Our philosophy is that, if our coaches are not successful themselves, how can they provide sound investment advice about what it is going to take to be successful?” Marshall explains. “These are people who have retired for a year or maybe two, and they are asking, ‘What’s next?’ We actually have people requesting to work as coaches, and we now have a waiting list of people who would like to be a retirement coach.”
One distinction from Barry’s commentary on this topic is that Marshall’s firm is targeting people with well-developed investment expertise and firsthand knowledge of retirement. He says this is because retirees and near-retirees are hungry for guidance from people who have direct experience in the phase of life they are about to enter.
“What hasn’t worked as well as we expected was hiring HR [human resources] directors as coaches,” Marshall noted. “We thought they might make good retirement coaches, and I’m sure some can be, but we found they know HR better than the investment industry, given their backgrounds. They weren’t able to inspire as much confidence I don’t think.”
Marshall offers one warning to advisory firms thinking about institute a retirement coach model similar to Spectrum’s.
“On the question of how to time the hiring of this talent, it’s not easy,” Marshall says. “You can’t just go out tomorrow and hire a retirement coach and expect it to be a great success without having a strong plan in place. We have five relationship managers in our company who are getting involved in planning and executing the one-on-one meetings. We have a full-time retirement coach manager overseeing the part-time coaches. It’s taken a long time to build this system. It’s going to take a year or two before a new coach really gets it down. You can’t just pull an ex-CPA [certified public accountant] off the street and expect them to fit into your culture or to understand your processes, style and so forth. They just have to love investing and working with people. Otherwise, it’s not going to work.”